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Chanel Reincarnation Movie & Past Life Case of Egon Schiele | Karl Lagerfeld

Reincarnation Case Study 5 Lagerfeld Correct Mirror (1)Revealed by: Spirit Guide Ahtun Re in a Ryerson-Semkiw Reincarnation Research Session

Article by: Walter Semkiw, MD

The Chanel company produced a short film entitled Reincarnation, provided below, in which past life personalities have the same facial features as their contemporary counterparts.

Similarity in facial features is indeed supported by independently researched reincarnation cases, including those published by Ian Stevenson, MD at the University of Virginia.

In sessions with Kevin Ryerson, I asked about the past lives of those featured in the Chanel Reincarnation film. Kevin channels a spirit guide named Ahtun Re who has demonstrated the ability to make past life matches with a high degree of accuracy.

When I asked about the director of the film, Karl Lagerfeld, who was also the Creative Director of Chanel, Ahtun Re  told me that in a past lifetime Lagerfeld was a student of the German painter Gustav Klimt.

Through research, I found that Egon Schiele was a protegé of Klimt who achieved greatness as a painter. In a subsequent session, Ahtun Re affirmed that Karl Lagerfeld was the reincarnation of Egon Schiele.

Principles of Reincarnation & Understanding Past Lives

Physical Resemblance in Reincarnation Cases: There is a similarity in the facial architecture of Egon Schiele and Karl Lagerfeld. Physical appearance seems to be determined by the interplay of the soul’s template and hereditary factors.

Past Life Talent: Egon Schiele was a leading painter of his day and Karl Lagerfeld was an accomplished artist, photographer and fashion designer.

Change of Nationality: Egon Schiele was Austrian, while Karl Lagerfeld was of German descent.

 

Reincarnation Cases of Jean-Antoine Houdon | Gutzon Borglum & the Chief Sculptor of the Abu Simbel Temples of Egypt

Revealed by: Ahtun Re in a Ryerson-Semkiw Reincarnation Research Session

Article by: Walter Semkiw, MD

Mount Rushmore Sculptor Gutzon Borglum as the Reincarnation of Abu Simbel Temple Artist

I was watching a program on the construction of the Mount Rushmore National Memorial, which was driven by the passion of Danish-American artist Gutzon Borglum, who is pictured below and to the left. Images are inverted to better appreciate bone structure or facial architecture. Since we tend to repeat patterns across lifetimes, I thought it would be interesting to investigate past lives for this individual, who was fascinated with creating gigantic monuments of national heroes.

Ahtun Re revealed that Borglum was the chief sculptor and artist of the Abu Simbel temples, massive rock temples also carved from mountains. Like Mount Rushmore, huge sculptures of national leaders, such as Pharaoh Ramses II, as well as of Egyptian religious deities, were created. The Abu Simbel temples were constructed around 1250 BCE and Mount Rushmore can be considered a modern version of Abu Simbel.

IISIS Gutzon Borglum Reincarnation Jean-Antoine Houdon AIISIS Jean-Antoine Houdon Reincarnation Gutzon Borglum

 

 

 

 

 

Gutzon Borglum as Reincarnation of Jean-Antoine Houdon:

Ahtun Re also revealed a more recent incarnation of Gutzon Borglum (right) as Jean-Antoine Houdon, who lived from 1741 to 1828. Houdon, pictured above and to the left, was famous for doing sculptures and busts of leaders of the Enlightenment, including political leaders such as Napoleon Bonaparte, Louis XVI, Thomas Jefferson and George Washington. As such, if this reincarnation case is accepted, Houdon did a famous statue and bust of George Washington, as well as of Jefferson, then reincarnated as Borglum to create gigantic busts of these same individuals, Jefferson and Washington, on Mount Rushmore.

As such, across three lifetimes there is a pattern of doing sculptures of national heroes. In the Egyptian and Borglum incarnations, the creation of gigantic sculptures of national leaders is observed. Images of sculptures of the Abu Simbel temples and Mount Rushmore are provided below:

Abu Simbel Temple Reincarnation Gutzon Borglum

 

 

 

 

 

Mount Rushmore Reincarnation Gutzon Borglum

Principles of Reincarnation

Physical Resemblance in Reincarnation Cases: Jean-Antoine Houdon and Gutzon Borglum share similar facial features.

Innate Talent: In three incarnations a talent for sculpture is demonstrated, with an interest in immortalizing national heroes and leaders. In the Egyptian and Borglum incarnations, this soul created sculptures of monumental size, which resulted in the creation of the Abu Simbel temples and the Mount Rushmore memorial.

Change in Nationality and Ethnic Affiliation: This soul has had incarnations in Ancient Egypt and, as Houdon, in France. Borglum was of Danish-American heritage.

 

Chanel Reincarnation Film and the Past Life Case of Ellen Louise Demorest | Coco Chanel

Revealed by: Spirit Guide Ahtun Re in a Ryerson-Semkiw Reincarnation Research Session

Article by: Walter Semkiw, MD

Reincarnation Case Study Coco Chanel and the film ReincarnationThe Chanel company produced a short film entitled Reincarnation in which past life personalities have the same facial features as their contemporary counterparts. Similarity in facial features is indeed supported by independently researched reincarnation cases, including those published by Ian Stevenson, MD at the University of Virginia.

In sessions with Kevin Ryerson, I asked about the past lives of those featured in the Chanel film. In addition, I asked about a past lifetime of the founder of the Chanel fashion house, Coco Chanel.

Ahtun Re, the spirit guide channeled through Kevin who has demonstrated the ability to make past life matches with a high degree of accuracy, told me that in a past life, Coco Chanel lived in New York and together with her husband, who had French ancestry, created a clothing company that brought the fashions of Paris to American women. When I asked what the name of this couple was, Ahtun Re said that he thought the name was “Demoreax.”

Ahtun Re was very close. With a little investigation, I found that a couple named Demorest had indeed created a clothing company in New York City. Ellen Louise Demorest invented a method to create tissue-paper dress patterns in multiple sizes, which allowed women of modest means to sew dresses that replicated fashions from Paris. Prior to that, Ms. Demorest was a hat maker. With her husband, William Jennings Demorest, the couple founded a very successful fashion house.

Principles of Reincarnation & Understanding Past Lives

Physical Resemblance in Reincarnation Cases: There is a similarity in the facial features of Ellen Louise Demorest and Coco Chanel, particularly in the eyes and eyebrows. Resemblance in the eyes and eyebrows in past life cases is usually the easiest to appreciate, as this part of the face is least affected by variations in weight and facial adipose tissue or facial fat.

Past Life Talent: Ellen Louis Demorest made Parisian fashions available and affordable for American women. Coco Chanel helped free women of the 19th century from corsets and she invented casual wear for women. Ellen Demorest and her husband created one of the most succesful fashion houses of their era, as did Coco Chanel in her era.

Change of Nationality: Ellen Demorest was born in New York, while Coco Chanel was French.

 

Chanel’s Film “Reincarnation” and Past Life Cases of Coco Chanel, Karl Lagerfeld, Pharrell Williams and Cara Delevingne

Reincarnation Case Study Christina CaraRevealed by: Spirit Guide Ahtun Re in a Ryerson-Semkiw Reincarnation Research Session

Article by: Walter Semkiw, MD

In December 2014, a short film directed by Karl Lagerfeld, Chanel’s Creative Director, was posted on YouTube. In this video, Reincarnation, which is provided below, individuals are portrayed as having the same physical appearance in contemporary times as in their past lives. Click on images to enlarge them.

This premise, of similar facial features from one lifetime to another, is supported by reincarnation research and objective evidence of reincarnation. These cases include those researched by Ian Stevenson, MD, of the University of Virginia, To learn more, please go to:

Reincarnation Cases with Physical Resemblance

Since 2001, I have worked with trance medium Kevin Ryerson, who channels a spirit guide named Ahtun Re, who has demonstrated the ability to make past life matches with a high degree of accuracy. Through my work with Kevin and Ahtun Re, we have derived past lives for individuals involved in the Chanel Reincarnation film. These include:

Pharrell Williams Reincarnation Case

Reincarnation Case Study Channel Grot Williams Reincarnation CasePharrell Williams grew up in Virginia Beach, Virginia, the home of Edgar Cayce’s Association for Research & Enlightenment (ARE). Edgar Cayce is one of the most famous psychics and mediums in American history. Cayce did promote the doctrine of reincarnation and as such, it is likely that Pharrell has been exposed to the concept of reincarnation.

Pharrell has stated that he believes in God and that he is a Universalist. Evidence of reincarnation does promote a universalist perspective.

To learn about the identified past lifetime for Pharell, please go to:

Reincarnation Case of Anton Grot | Pharrell Williams

Karl Lagerfeld Reincarnation Case

In a past lifetime, Karl was a famous painter, an artist, named Egon Schiele. Over the course of lifetimes, we express similar abilities that we were endowed with by God, in the process of creation. This process is described in my book:

Reincarnation Case Study 5 Lagerfeld Correct Mirror (1)Origin of the Soul and the Purpose of Reincarnation 

Egon Schiele was a painter, who reincarnated as another artist, this time as a leader of fashion, which is marked by visual design.

To learn more about the past life of Karl Lagerfeld, please go to:

Reincarnation Case of Egon Schiele | Karl Langerfeld

Cara Delevingne Reincarnation Case

British model, singer and actress Cara Delevingne has been identified as a member of a European royal family.

When I asked about Cara Delevingne, I was surprised that Ahtun Re told me that Cara was one of the sisters of Marie Antoinette. Marie was the wife of Louis 16, a King of France.

After reviewing biographies of the sisters of Marie Antoinette, I hypothesized that Cara is the reincarnation of Maria Christina, who was the most artistically gifted of the sisters. A striking physical resemblance exists between Maria Christian and Cara. In a subsequent session with Kevin Ryerson, Ahtun Re affirmed that Cara Delevingne is the reincarnation of Maria Christian, the Duchess of Teschen.
In an interesting parallel, in the Chanel Reincarnation film, Cara portrays the reincarnation of an aristocratic woman who is depicted in a large portrait on a wall, who strongly resembles Cara. In this way, the film reflects Cara’s own royal past life heritage.

Coco Chanel Reincarnation Case

A past life for Coco Chanel has also been derived. To learn more, please go to:

Reincarnation Case of Ellen Louise Demorest | Coco Chanel

Principles of Reincarnation & Understanding Past Lives

Reincarnation Case Study Coco Chanel and the film ReincarnationPhysical Resemblance in Reincarnation Cases: Coco Chanel, Karl Lagerfeld, Pharrell Williams and Cara Delevigne look like who they were in past lives.

Past Life Talent: Artistic talent demonstrated by Coco Chanel, Karl Lagerfeld, Pharrell Williams and Cara Delevingne are reflected in their past lives.

Change of Nationality and Race: These cases show that nationality and race can change from one lifetime to another. The understanding that these cultural markers of identity can change from one incarnation to another can help create a more peaceful world, as most conflicts and wars are based on differences in these factors.

Anton Grot was a Caucasian Polish artist. The reincarnation of Grot, Pharrell Williams, was born an African-American.

Egon Schiele was Austrian, while his reincarnation, Karl Langerfeld was born in Germany.

Marie Christina was French, while Cara Devingne was born in Britain. Recall that in times gone by, France and Britain were enemies who fought numerous wars.

Coco Chanel was French, while Ellen Demorest was born in the United States.

To view other past life cases involving artists, please go to:

Art and Design Reincarnation Cases

Reincarnation Case of Charles Dassoucy | Michael Jackson with a Past Life for Jay Leno

Revealed by: Spirit Guide or Spirit Being Ahtun Re in a Ryerson-Semkiw Reincarnation Research Session

Article by: Walter Semkiw, MD

Michael Jackson as a Past-Life Friend of Moliere

3 Michael Jackson Reincarnation Past Life Story 3In 2006, I asked Ahtun Re, the spirit being channeled through Kevin Ryerson who has demonstrated the ability to make past life matches with a high degree of accuracy, who Michael Jackson was in a past lifetime.  There was silence on the other end of the telephone line. Ahtun Re then he said:

“Jackson was a good friend of the French playwright Molière. If you research Molière, you will find Michael Jackson.”

Molière lived from 1622 to 1673 and his troupe performed for the court of King Louis XIV. Molière, according to Wikipedia, had a “genius for mockery” and became “one of the greatest masters of comedy in Western literature.”

Consider that Molière lived in France 400 years ago. Think of the billions of people who have lived on our planet over this period of time. By advising me to look for Michael Jackson as a close friend of Molière, Ahtun Re was picking a needle out of a haystack. Ahtun Re’s ability to repeatedly make accurate reincarnation matches involving obscure people has made me trust his past life identifications.

I ordered two biographies on Molière. I found that at one point in his life, Molière and his theatrical troupe would traverse France by river barge. They would dock at towns along the way and pitch a tent, where they would charge locals admission to attend their plays, which were usually comedies. This is how the troupe made a living.

Moliere Meets the Emperor of Entertainers | A Past Life for the King of Pop, Who Travels with Young Boys

At one town, I read that a singer named Charles Dassoucy joined Molière’s troupe. In the biography on Molière, it was specifically written that Dassoucy traveled with two young boys.

As the troupe traveled down river, Dassoucy would help pass time by singing for his friends. At one point, Dassoucy gave himself the self-proclaimed title, “Emperor of Entertainers,” much as Michael Jackson gave himself the title, “King of Pop.”

I later found a portrait of Charles Dassoucy and noted that there was an uncanny resemblance to Michael Jackson.

In a subsequent session with Kevin Ryerson, in 2006, Ahtun Re confirmed that Michael Jackson was the reincarnation of Charles Dassoucy. I did not make the Dassoucy | Jackson case public at that point, because at the time Michael was going through turmoil due accusations that he abused young boys at his Neverland Ranch.

Individuals can unconsciously access past life memories to recreate patterns from past lives, such as Jackson’s title of King of Pop, a refection of his past life in which he called himself as the Emperor of Entertainers. This ability to  unconsciously draw from past lives is dramatically demonstrated in the following past life case:

Reincarnation Case of Paul Gauguin | Peter Teekamp

Michael Jackson’s Past Life in the Children’s Christian Crusade

Reincarnation Case Study An Illustration of an Ancient Child CrusadeIt wasn’t until a year or so later that I revisited the case. This time, in a session with Kevin, I asked Ahtun Re why Jackson has had this tendency to associate with young boys in two lifetimes.

Ahtun Re explained that the origin of this tendency stems from an earlier lifetime, in which Michael Jackson, as a young boy, was enlisted in what was called the Children’s Crusades, which took place in 1212 AD.

During the Crusades, in which Christians from Europe waged battle with Muslims to take possession of Jerusalem in a Holy War, when Crusaders ran out of young men to fight, someone had the idea to enlist young boys to join the cause. Michael Jackson was one of these boys who were pressed into service and Michael lost his life as a child in battle.

Ahtun Re explained that Michael Jackson’s experience of losing his life as a child soldier in the Crusades led to emotional trauma that has persisted for 800 years. His loss of childhood in battle led to an urge to never lose his childhood again, which led to the creation of his Neverland Ranch. In this context:

“Neverland” can be understood as “Never Leaving Childhood”

Relationships Renewed through Reincarnation

Indeed, it is possible that some of the children Jackson hosted at his Neverland Ranch were reincarnated child soldiers from the Children’s Crusades, children that Michael knew in that past era. Reincarnation research, including past life cases studied by Ian Stevenson, MD of the University of Virginia, show that we are reunited with past life colleagues, friends and loved ones through reincarnation. To learn more, go to:

Relationships Renewed through Reincarnartion

Child Prodigies & Innate Talent Explained through Reincarnation

We tend to repeat patterns from one incarnation to another. Talents come through from lifetime to another, which explains: Reincarnation and Child Prodigies

Michael Jackson was a child prodigy singer and artist. His talents are understood by prior incarnations in which he also was a singer, such as in his lifetime as Charles Dassoucy, the Emperor of Entertainers. For me, the Charles Dassoucy | Michael Jackson case is very insightful, as it helps us understand, with compassion, why Michael was the way he was.

Reincarnation & Michael Jackson’s Plastic Surgeries

Why did Michael Jackson have plastic surgeries which made it appear as if he was creating a Caucasian version of himself? I believe that he did this because Jackson had not had many prior incarnations as an individual with African ancestry. As such, Michael unconsciously was trying to look more like he did in prior incarnations, when he was Caucasian.

Reincarnation, Change of Race & Michael Jackson’s Opus: Black or White

3 Michael Jackson Reincarnation Past Life Story 3The Daussoucy | Jackson case is one of the core cases that made me believe in Ahtun Re’s ability to make accurate past life matches. Consider the odds of finding a singer who was a friend of Molière, who called himself the Emperor of Entertainers, who traveled with young boys and who has the same facial features as Michael Jackson?

In conclusion, I hope that Michael Jackson, in between lifetimes, can heal the past life trauma that occurred during the Crusades. He was a great artist and for me, the greatest song he created was Black or White. The music video of this song shows people morphing into different races.

This is truly how reincarnation works. From one lifetime to another, we can change religion, nationality, race, ethnic affiliation and gender. This understanding can help make the world become a more peaceful place. In this way, for me, Black and White is Michael Jackson’s greatest legacy.

View Michael Jackson’s: Black or White

Jay Leno as the Reincarnation of Moliere

Of interest, Moliere has been identified in contemporary times as the comedian Jay Leno, who was a friend of Michael Jackson. In fact, when Michael was going through legal struggles related to his hosting of children at Neverland Ranch, Jay Leno testified on the behalf of Michael Jackson.

Principles of Reincarnation & Understanding Past Lives

Physical Resemblance in Reincarnation Cases: A physical resemblance exists between Charles Dassoucy and Michael Jackson.

Past Life Innate Talent: Dassoucy and Michael Jackson were both professional singers and they gave themselves similar titles. Dassoucy called himself the Emperor of Entertainers, while Michael proclaimed that he was the King of Pop.

Relationships Renewed through Reincarnation: It is likely that the children that Michael hosted at Neverland Ranch were fellow child soldiers who lost their lives in the Children’s Crusades. In addition, Charles Dassoucy traveled on a river tour with Moliere and this relationship was rekindled in the friendship of Michael Jackson and Jay Leno.

Change in Nationality and Ethnic Affiliation: Charles Dassoucy was French and Caucasian, while Michael Jackson was African-American.

Reincarnation Case of David Rittenhouse | Carl Sagan

5iisisdavidrittenhousecarlsaganreincarnationCase Solved by: Spirit Guide or Spirit Being Ahtun Re in a Ryerson-Semkiw Session

Case Researched by Walter Semkiw, MD

Article by Walter Semkiw, MD from Born Again

“There are three claims in the [parapsychology] field which, in my opinion, deserve serious study,” the third of which was “that young children sometimes report details of a previous life, which upon checking turn out to be accurate and which they could not have known about in any other way than reincarnation.” Carl Sagan-1996

I was introduced to David Rittenhouse while researching the reincarnation case of Charles Thomson | Ralph Nader. Thomson was an American Revolutionary in Philadelphia who was associated with Thomas Paine. Paine lived in Philadelphia when he wrote his pamphlet, Common Sense, which with straightforward arguments explained why independence from Britain was desirable. The pamphlet became a best seller that helped influence people’s emotions and positions, and helped launch the Revolutionary War.

In reading about the history of Common Sense, I learned that a Philadelphia resident named David Rittenhouse had served as an editor. That is all I knew about this man, when I asked about Rittenhouse in a session with Kevin Ryerson. In the fall of 2001, I asked Ahtun Re if Rittenhouse had reincarnated in contemporary times. When Ahtun Re told me that David Rittenhouse had reincarnated as Carl Sagan, I was certain that he was wrong.

By that time, I had observed that souls tend to express themselves in similar ways, from lifetime to lifetime, and that they tended to demonstrate similar talents. It made no sense to me that Rittenhouse, who I perceived to be a little known Philadelphia political revolutionary, would reincarnate as a world-famous astronomer. I was afraid that Ahtun Re was wrong and I became discouraged about his being a reliable resource in making reincarnation matches. In fact, my heart sank because I felt that I was at another dead-end in my work with psychics. But I was the one who was wrong.

When I researched David Rittenhouse more thoroughly, I found that he was an instrument maker who built the first telescope in America. I also found that he was a mathematician who, based on his telescope observations, built an orrery–a precursor to the planetarium, which portrayed the solar system with great accuracy. I still, though, could not find a portrait of Rittenhouse.

Keep in mind that my in the fall of 2001, search engines such as Google where not available. One had to research the old-fashioned way, through books and in libraries.

When I went to visit Ian Stevenson in 2001, I also made a point to visit tourist destinations in Virginia, including the homes of Thomas Jefferson and James Madison. Madison had collected portraits of individuals involved in the American Revolution, including a portrait of Rittenhouse. It was then, at the end of 2001, when I saw the portrait of Rittenhouse in the home of James Madison that I realized that it was the face of Carl Sagan.

5iisisdavidrittenhousecarlsaganreincarnationThis all occurred early in my work with Kevin Ryerson and when I realized that Ahtun Re had made this match, which to me now seemed to be uncannily accurate, I realized that something very big was happening; that I had a resource that could accurately identify souls in past and contemporary incarnations.

Principles of Reincarnation & Understanding Past Lives

Physical Appearance: David Rittenhouse and Carl Sagan have corresponding facial features.

Past Life Talent and Passions: Rittenhouse and Sagan were both leaders in the field of astronomy. In addition, both were politically active as Rittenhouse supported the American Revolution and Sagan became active in protesting the Vietnam War and in lobbying against nuclear arms proliferation.

 

The Reincarnation Case of Charles Thomson | Ralph Nader

charlesthomsonralphnaderreincarnation.Revealed by: Spirit Guide or Spirit Being Ahtun Re Channeled through Kevin Ryerson

Case Researched by Walter Semkiw, MD

Article by Walter Semkiw, MD from Born Again

In the year 2001, I was researching a cohort that appeared to have reincarnated in contemporary times from the American Revolution. On my own, I had hypothesized past life matches for Bill Clinton, Al Gore and Geroge W. Bush, who were all involved in the 2000 Presidential election. Ralph Nader was a candidate for US President 2000 also and as people tend to reincarnate in groups, I suspected Nader likely was also involved in the American Revolution, though I had no clue as to who he may have been.

In a session with Kevin Ryerson, I asked Ahtun Re if Nader was incarnate during that period of time and if so, who he was. Ahtun Re confirmed that Nader was alive in the eighteenth century and that his name was Thomson or Thomason. Ahtun Re told me that he was a major player in the Continental Congress and Ahtun Re stated that I would find that Thomson had the same chiseled facial features as Ralph Nader.

Initially, I was frustrated in locating information on someone named Thomson in the books and other resources that I had collected on the American Revolution. Time was an issue, as I had signed a contract for by book, Return of the Revolutionaries, on October 30, 2001, which was John Adams’ birthday, and my publisher’s deadline for the book’s submission was fast approaching.

I decided to give the Nader case one last chance try by visiting the San Francisco Public Library. I went to the section on American history dealing with the Continental Congress and the Constitutional Convention, which featured three large bookcases of material. I systematically went through the index of each, hoping to find mention of a Thomson, or Thomason.

charlesthomsonralphnaderreincarnation.After going through a hundred books or so without success, my hopes began to dim. Suddenly, in a large black book, which most likely hadn’t been opened in years, I saw the name of Charles Thomson in the index, with a portrait also identified by a page number. Could this be what I was looking for? As I turned to the page with the portrait of Charles Thomson, I saw Ralph Nader’s face, with his distinctive eyebrows and the sharp vertical line on one side, symmetrically reflected in the face of Thomson.

In a subsequent session with Kevin Ryerson, Ahtun Re affirmed that Ralph Nader was Charles Thomson in the Revolutionary Era. In addition to having matching facial architecture, I found that the personality traits of Thomson and Nader were uncannily similar. Both were consumer advocates, both fought for the underdog and both were considered too radical to be elected to office themselves.

In Return of the Revolutionaries, I have dedicated an entire chapter on the Thomson | Nader reincarnation case, in which I compare quotes from Thomson’s and Nader’s writings, showing how their values and thoughts are essentially the same. This case had profound significance for me, for it demonstrated that Ahtun Re indeed appeared to have the capability of establishing past-life identities accurately.

Principles of Reincarnation & Understanding Past Lives

Physical Appearance: Charles Thomson and Ralph Nader have the same facial architecture.

Past Life Innate Talent: Nader has demonstrated the same talents and passions as Thomson in becoming an attorney, a consumer advocate, reformer and a political leader.

Relationships Renewed through Reincarnation: As described in Return of the Revolutionaries, in contemporary times Ralph Nader has been reunited with colleagues from the American Revolution who have reincarnated in political arena of the 2000 US presidential election.

 

Kevin Ryerson, the Spirit Being Ahtun Re and the Proposed Reincarnation of John Adams, with the Robert Morris | Shirley MacLaine Past Life Case

johnadamswaltersemkiwreincarnationcaseIntroducing Kevin Ryerson, the Spirit Guide Ahtun Re & President John Adams Proposed Reincarnation

 

Article by: Walter Semkiw, MD

Recommended Reading: John Adams: A Party of One

A Medical Doctor’s Journey into Past Lives

The way in which I became involved in reincarnation research is that in 1984, on a lark, I went to a medium, much like the one that Penney Peirce went to see. It was a time when I was in my medical training in Chicago, Illinois. A friend called me and suggested that I have a session with a medium who was working out of a local metaphysical bookstore.

Being a skeptic by nature, I had never even considered going to a psychic before. It had been a dreary winter, though, with little to do but study, and I reasoned that a session with a medium could be, if nothing else, entertaining.

During the session, the medium went into a meditative state and in doing so, allowed spirit guides to talk through him. These guides told me about family issues with surprising accuracy.

The guides then told me about two past lives, one of which was during the American Revolution. In short, they told me that I was John Adams, an American Revolutionary who eventually became the first Vice President, under George Washington, then the second President of the United States. I had heard that psychics often tell people that they were someone famous in a past lifetime, as that is what their clients want to hear. I did not find it plausible that I was Adams, so in 1984, I dismissed the information as ridiculous and did not pursue the Adams connection for about 12 years.

A Booming Telepathic Message

At the end of 1995, I was fully engaged in my medical career and was on a business trip in Hawaii.  I was working as a medical director of an oil company called Unocal 76, whose slogan happened to be, “The Spirit of 1776,” a reference to the spirit of the American Revolution.  It was about lunch time and I was standing at one Unocal’s facilities in Honolulu waiting for some colleagues. Out of the blue, out of nowhere, I received an internal command like I had never experienced before.  A booming voice inside my head commanded:

“Study the Lifetime of Adams”

I had never heard a booming internal voice like that before, nor have I since. The message conveyed by this voice was firm and undeniable, and powerful enough to make me go to a bookstore in Honolulu that evening, where I purchased books on the American Revolution and John Adams.

iisispeteradamsgeorgesemkiwreincarnationcaseIn the session in 1984, the spirit guides told me that if I researched John Adams, I would see myself in physical attributes, personality and habits. As I read about Adams over the course of 1996, that is exactly what I found. I had the same personality, the same strengths and weaknesses, and in certain portraits, such as the one done for the Paris peace conference after the Revolutionary War, I had the very same face as Adams. Place your cursor on image comparisons to enlarge the image and your arrow keys to scroll up and down on the image.

Past Life Relationships

Over time, I identified 60 people who where affiliated with Adams, who seemed to be reincarnated around me in my life. For example, my brother George appeared to be the reincarnation of Peter Adams, the brother of John Adams. Facial features, as well as personality traits, were consistent.

I hypothesized that my other brother, Leo, who is an orthopedic surgeon, is the reincarnation of Cotton Tufts, who was also a physician and a close friend of the Adams family, who managed the Adams’s finances when they traveled overseas. Leo managed my mother’s finances prior to her death.

John Adams, US President, Reincarnation Case

IISISCottonTuftsLeoSemkiwReincarnationCaseOver a period of two years, I slowly and reluctantly started to consider that I might be the reincarnation of John Adams.

One reason was the many synchronistic and unusual events that were occurring to me in relation to Adams. One such unusual event involved accidentally discovering a case of xenoglossy.

This involves a Russian friend of mine named Igor, who was also living in San Francisco. In my study of Adams, I had a hunch that Igor was a Frenchman that John Adams knew, when Adams served as an American ambassador to France. When Igor and I first met, we became instant friends, typical of what happens when one encounters a compatriot from a past incarnation. Igor physically resembled the Frenchman and they shared personality traits. Igor and the Frenchman both loved music and played instruments. Igor was trained as a concert pianist in Russia and after immigrating to the United States, he played for the major ballet companies in New York. Igor and the Frenchman were also both adept at finance. Igor, in fact, makes his living on the stock market.

A Telepathic Message Reveals a Case of Xenoglossy: Unlearned Language

Though Igor is a close friend, I didn’t tell him about his hypothesized French past life identity for over a year, as Igor was an atheist and I knew that he did not believe in reincarnation. One evening, I was at Igor’s apartment, sitting in the kitchen with Igor and his new girlfriend, Holly. Igor and Holly had been dating for about six months, but she lived in Seattle, so this was my first opportunity to meet her. Out of the blue, I received a distinct intuition, which seemed like a telepathic message. In fact, the best way that I can describe it is that I experienced a “voiceless voice,” a term used by Neale Donald Walsh in his book series, Conversations with God. Though I have no idea where the voiceless voice came from, it made the following statement:

“Tell them now, tell them now.”

IISISIgorReincarnationCaseI immediately knew that the voiceless voice wanted me to tell Igor and Holly about Igor’s past lifetime as a Frenchman, though I didn’t understand why I should tell Igor at this point in time. I argued with this unexpected voice, thinking to myself, “Why should I tell them now? I could have told Igor a year ago. Besides, he’s never going to believe it anyway.” None the less, I complied with the voiceless voice’s instruction. I reluctantly told Igor and his girlfriend about my feeling that I knew Igor in the Revolutionary Era and that he was French. An image comparison featuring Igor and his proposed past life match is provided to the right.

Xenoglossy: Igor Speaks French in his Sleep

His girlfriend, Holly, then replied, “Boy that’s strange, because Igor speaks French in his sleep.” Igor confirmed that this was true. Igor related that he has been told many times that he speaks French in his sleep and he admitted that he has never studied French. Igor cannot speak French in his waking consciousness. Of course, Igor being the atheist that he is, didn’t care about this phenomenon or how it possibly could occur.

I was thunderstruck! This represented a case of xenoglossy, in which a person can speak a language that was never learned. The amazing thing was that it supported my hypothesis about Igor and the Adams past life research in general. It appears that the voiceless voice prompted me to tell Igor about his French lifetime in the presence of his girlfriend, so that she could report his nocturnal language skills to me. Otherwise, I may never have learned about Igor’s xenoglossy.

In addition, many other strange events and coincidences occurred to me that seemed to relate to a past lifetime as Adams, which are recounted in detail in the last chapter of my book Return of the Revolutionaries, which is entitled, A Science of Spirit and the New Reformation. If my hypothesized reincarnation case was true, I reasoned that the information might be valuable in understanding how reincarnation works, but I didn’t know what to do with the information. Prior to the year 2000, I certainly wasn’t ready to go public. After all, I was a physician making a good salary. I didn’t want to lose my job by running around saying that I was John Adams, if I was not. I needed some type of validation or confirmation.

A Tour of Psychics: Introduction to Kevin Ryerson & the Spirit Being or Spirit Guide Ahtun Re

Kevin Ryerson & Meaning of Life, Walter Semkiw MD IISIS Reincarnation Case StudyNot knowing what else to do, I started going to psychics in the San Francisco area, where I was living, who had good reputations, to see what they would say. For example, I visited Michael Tamura, who directed the Berkeley Psychic Center for almost 20 years. In this position, he trained other clairvoyants, so I though he might be a reliable resource. In my session with Michael he stated, “Yes, you were John Adams and you are here to bring the Founding Fathers back.” That was nice, but I still wasn’t convinced. I went to several other psychics and they all told me the same thing, that I was reincarnation of John Adams. I still questioned their accuracy and suspected they may just be telling me something they thought I wanted to hear.

In my continuing tour, I eventually was referred to Kevin Ryerson, the medium who has worked with Shirley MacLaine for 30 years or so and who is featured in four of her books.

I learned that Kevin is a trance channel, which means that when he works, he goes into a meditative state or trance and allows spirit beings to speak through him.

The Spirit Guide or Spirit Being Ahtun Re

The spirit being that I began to work with through Kevin is named Ahtun Re, who identifies himself as an Egyptian of Nubian origin. Ahtun Re explained that he had evolved through a series of human lifetimes and then ascended, like Buddha, Jesus, Mohammed and other spiritual masters. Ahtun Re’s last incarnation, he told me, was in Egypt, during the reign of the Pharaoh Akhenaton (1379-1362 BC), who was known as the “Father of Monotheism.” Ahtun Re served as a High Priest and advisor to Akhenaton and as such, Ahtun Re’s last incarnation occurred approximately 3350 years ago.

Speaking to an Egyptian spirit guide that has been dead for over 3000 years was a novel experience for me. I was open-minded, but skeptical, and in the beginning I did not assume that Ahtun Re was accurate. Like any reasonable person, and especially since my background is in science, I needed evidence to be convinced that Ahtun Re produced valid information.

A Review of Past Life Cases from the American Revolution

First of all, Ahtun Re also confirmed that I am the reincarnation of John Adams. I then reviewed the list of almost 60 past life matches that I had hypothesized regarding the group that was incarnate around John Adams, who I thought I had identified in contemporary times. As we went through each match, Ahtun Re told me whether I was right or wrong. In total, he validated about 85 percent of the matches that I had hypothesized and he indicated that 15 percent or so were inaccurate. A number of American Revolution past life cases validated by Ahtun Re are found on the Reincarnation Research web site. To learn more:

Go to: Past Lives of Neale Donald Walsch, Marianne Williamson, John Hagelin & Deepak Chopra

Obscurity of Past Life Matches Convinces Walter Ahtun Re is a Spirit Being separate from Kevin Ryerson

Still, I wasn’t sure whether there was any reason to place trust in Ahtun Re. How did I know that his determinations were valid?

A breakthrough occurred when I started to ask about matches in which I had no hypothesized matches and I asked Ahtun Re to tell me who a person was in a past lifetime, or who a person from history is in contemporary times. What I found was that Ahtun Re could make past life identifications, which when researched, appeared to be valid and accurate. The matches he made, when investigated, demonstrated similar facial features, personality traits, talents and appropriate karmic groupings.

Further, at times the matches involved individuals in history that were so obscure and so hard to get information on, that there was no way that Ahtun Re (or Kevin Ryerson for that matter) could have made the matches without accessing some spiritual source of accurate data. Some might call this source of information the Akashic Record, some may call it Universal Mind.

Core Cases that Demonstrate the Ability of Spirit Being Ahtun Re to Read the Akashic Record or Universal Mind

A sample of cases which clearly demonstrate Ahtun Re’s ability to make accurate past life matches include those of the 2000 American Green Party Candidate for President, Ralph Nader, the astronomer Carl Sagan, Neale Donald Walsch, author of the Conversations with God book series, and the reincarnations of Laurel and Hardy. The Laurel & Hardy | Bacher Boys reincarnation cases are also very powerful. These cases are presented in the section: Core Cases that Demonstrate Ahtun Re’s Ability

Spirit Being Ahtun Re’s Encyclopedic Fund of Knowledge: Precedes Google

One must keep in mind that when I started to work with Kevin in 2001, search engines, such as Google, were primitive and were not used routinely. When Ahtun Re gave me information to research, I had to do it the old-fashioned way by going to the library and reading books. Because of the limited access to information at that time, I came to realize that Ahtun Re’s fund of knowledge was beyond what was possible for Kevin Ryerson. As noted in the reincarnation cases involving Penney Peirce, a medium named Bobby Jo seemed to have access to information in an encyclopedic scope. In a similar way, Ahtun Re seemed to have knowledge there was beyond the capacity of a single human being.

The Spirit Guide MacPherson Observes Walter Shirley MacLaine & Walter from the Spirit Realm

IIISIS Reincarnation Case Study Shirley MacLaineBefore I proceed with presenting cases solved through Ahtun Re, I would like to share an anecdote which demonstrates that the spirit guides that Kevin channels can monitor events on Earth. In my book, Return of the Revolutionaries, Shirley MacLaine is identified as James Wilson, an American Revolutionary and signer of the Declaration of Independence, a match that Ahtun Re revealed. Ms. MacLaine was gracious enough to agree to be in my book, though she herself had not had an opportunity to have a session with Kevin prior to my book’s publication to have this past lifetime confirmed directly.

The Robert Morris | Shirley MacLaine Reincarnation Case

A few months after publication of Return of the Revolutionaries, Ms. MacLaine was conducting a series of workshops in October 2003 at the Academy of Art College, in San Francisco. It was an opportunity for me to meet Ms. MacLaine for the first time. In the interim months, I understood from Kevin that Shirley did have a session with him and Ahtun Re. Subsquently, Shirley cited the Robert Morris | Shirley MacLaine reincarnation case in her book I’m Over All That: And Other Confessions.

Spirit Being Ahtun Re Suggests a Present for Shirley MacLaine

I myself happened to have a telephone session with Kevin Ryerson scheduled on the day before Shirley’s event. Kevin conducted the session from Portland, Oregon, which is where he was living at the time. In the session, I asked Ahtun Re whether I should bring a gift to Shirley. Ahtun Re, speaking through Kevin in his deep bass voice, told me to have a T Shirt manufactured that had an image of Shirley’s revolutionary persona on the front, with a caption underneath that states:

“In my next lifetime, I want to be Shirley MacLaine.”

On the back of the T Shirt, Ahtun Re told me that I should emboss the following line,

“One hundred lifetimes and all I get is this crummy T Shirt.”

Ahtun Re not only can make accurate past life matches, he also has a sense of humor. Well, almost miraculously, I was able to get the T Shirt manufactured within a day and I had it with me when I went to see Shirley speak. After the morning session, I introduced myself to Shirley at the lunch break. I was not prepared for what happened next. At the start of the afternoon session, Shirley invited me to join her on stage.

Walter get Nervous On Stage with Shirley MacLaine and Passes the Microphone like a Baton

For almost two hours, a three-way conversation ensued between Shirley, her audience of two to three hundred people and me, regarding reincarnation, my book and her past life as Robert Morris. Though I was having the time of my life, I was nervous about being on stage with one of the most famous celebrities on the planet. My anxiety was channeled into my right hand, which was holding the microphone. My hand grasped the microphone with greater and greater force until it started to cramp. At that point, perhaps forty minutes into our discussion, I passed the microphone to my left hand. After a while, my left hand started to cramp and I had to pass the microphone back to my right hand. This passing of the microphone baton continued throughout the duration of my stage appearance with Shirley, which as noted, lasted almost two hours.

Spirit Being MacPherson Observes Shirley & Walter from the Spirit Realm

IISISSpiritWorldHeavenWhat is remarkable about this incident with Shirley is that Kevin Ryerson’s spirit guides were watching the proceedings from the spirit world. Recall that Kevin was in Portland while the event with Shirley took place in San Francisco. Several months after Shirley’s Academy of Art College engagement, Kevin Ryerson came to San Francisco to do a lecture and a public demonstration of channeling. In the session, another spirit guide channeled through Kevin, Tom MacPherson, came through. MacPherson often came through in sessions for Shirley MacLaine, as Tom was last incarnate as an actor in Shakespeare’s troupe, so he and Shirley have a common interest in drama. Tom, through Kevin, addressed the audience in his Irish accent and he called me out. Tom inquired, “So, Laddy, did you have a nice time with the redhead?”

The redhead that Tom was referring to, of course, was Shirley MacLaine. I responded that I had a wonderful time on stage with Shirley. Tom then noted:

“You were a wee bit nervous, though, passing the microphone to and fro from one hand to another.”

I was shocked when Tom made that statement, as I had not told Kevin of the microphone incident. Later upon questioning, Kevin confirmed that he had no knowledge of my problem with the microphone when I was on stage with Shirley. This made me realize that Kevin’s guides could monitor events on Earth, regardless of where Kevin himself was physically located.

Dear Friends in Kevin Ryerson & Spirit Being Ahtun Re

Over the years that I have worked with Kevin regularly since we first met in October 2001 and we have become good friends. In addition, since I have had monthly sessions with Kevin since 2001, I also feel that Ahtun Re is a friend of mine. In the sessions, Ahtun Re is as warm and human as anyone else that you might speak to over the telephone. The only difference is that with Ahtun Re, the telephone is Kevin Ryerson. MacPherson has also come through a handful of times, but it has been Ahtun Re who has been the dominant spirit guide that I have worked with. Ahtun Re and MacPherson have distinct personalities, which are quite different from Kevin’s personality.

I would also like to mention that I am not the only one who has had extremely positive experiences with information gained through Kevin Ryerson. For example, William H. Kautz received a Doctorate of Science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) and served as a staff scientist at the Stanford Research Institute (SRI) for 35 years. Dr. Kautz has written several books on the topic of intuition and he regards Kevin Ryerson as one of the most accurate intuitives he has studied. With this introduction, let us review cases solved through Ahtun Re:

Go to: Core Cases that Demonstrate Ahtun Re’s Ability to Make Accurate Past Life Matches

To have a session with Kevin Ryerson, go to: Kevin Ryerson Tele-Readings

 

Reincarnation Case of Will Rogers | Robin Williams Robin Williams Reincarnation Movie Suicide & Reincarnation

Proposed by: ReincarnationResearch.com Supporter

Affirmed by: Spirit Guide Ahtun Re in a Ryerson-Semkiw Reincarnation Research Session

Article by: Walter Semkiw, MD

Robin Williams as the Reincarnation of Will Rogers

Will Rogers Robin Williams Smile Reincarnation Case ImageRobin Williams committed suicide during the evening of Sunday, August 10 or the early morning of Monday, August 11, 20 14. A few days after this tragic event, a Reincarnation Research supporter sent me a message with the hypothesis that in the past lifetime, Robin Williams was the great American humorist and movie star, Will Rogers. Will Rogers was one of the most famous celebrities of the 1920s and 1930s.

In looking at images of the Rogers, I was very impressed by the physical resemblance between the two. In fact, one can almost see Robin Williams in the eyes and smile of Will Rogers. Also, in reading some of Will Rogers’ most famous quotations, one can almost hear Robin Williams saying the same things. Place your cursor over images to enlarge and use arrow keys to scroll up and down on the image.

In a session with Kevin Ryerson which took place on August 16, 2014, Ahtun Re, the spirit guide channeled through Kevin who has demonstrated the ability to make past life matches with a high degree of accuracy, affirmed that Robin Williams was the reincarnation of Will Rogers.

Robin Williams’ Interest in Reincarnation Research & What Dreams May Come

5 Robin Williams Will Rogers Reincarnation & Suicide ImageI happen to know that Robin Williams was very interested in reincarnation. The way this knowledge came about is that I met an individual in August 2013 who had created one of the early Internet E-mail providers, such as Hotmail or Yahoo. His company was then purchased by a venture capital group, which allowed this hi-tech entrepreneur to retire at an early age.

Hoping that this person may be interested in financially supporting ReincarnationResearch.com I showed him the our website. I explained that independently researched reincarnation cases, including cases studied by Ian Stevenson, MD at the University of Virgina, demonstrate that individuals can change religion, nationality and ethnic affiliation from one incarnation to another. I pointed out that understanding of this observation can help create a more peaceful world, as most conflicts are based on differences in these cultural markers of identity.

I then showed this hi-tech entrepreneur the Evidence of Reincarnation video, which I had put up on You Tube on May 21, 2013. This video centers on the reincarnation research of Dr. Ian Stevenson at the University of Virginia. Over a period of 40 years, Dr. Stevenson studied young children who had spontaneous memories of past lifetimes. In approximately 1200 Stevenson cases, the children’s past life memories could be objectively validated. In my opinion these cases, in aggregate, provide proof of reincarnation

After watching the Evidence of Reincarnation video, which has had millions of views, the hi-tech entrepreneur became quite excited and stated that a person who he lives next to is very interested in reincarnation research and has spoken of Ian Stevenson.

IISIS Image of Robin Williams Reincarnation Sea CliffThe hi-tech entrepreneur explained that he lives in the Sea Cliff neighborhood of San Francisco and that once a month, he and this neighbor would get together, smokes cigars and discuss life. The hi-tech entrepreneur said that he would tell his friend about the work that I was doing in reincarnation research and he stated that he was sure that his neighbor would contact me due to our mutual interest in reincarnation research. I asked the hi-tech entrepreneur who his neighbor is and he replied, “Robin Williams.” Robin Williams did indeed live in Sea Cliff at that point in time in 2013, but he subsequently moved to Tiburon, where he committed suicide in August 2014.

As we parted, this individual reiterated that he was sure that Robin Williams would contact me. I gave the hi-tech entrepreneur my Born Again and Origin of the Soul books to forward to Robin, along with my contact information. Much to my disappointment, Robin Williams never did get in touch with me.

Of interest, Robin Williams starred in a movie, What Dreams May Come, which deals with suicide and reincarnation. Robin also had a joke about reincarnation which has received much publicity. He said, regarding reincarnation: “With my luck I will come back as myself.” This is a funny, albiet true, statement.

Reincarnation and Suicide

5 Robin Williams Will Rogers Reincarnation & Suicide ImageIf reincarnation is real, which reincarnation research does support, what are the ramifications of suicide on the progression of the soul? Ian Stevenson did publish a reincarnation case involving suicide, which he considered one of the strongest cases he had ever studied. In addition, two other reincarnation cases involving suicide were published by Stevenson’s colleague, Satwant Pasricha, PhD. Please review the Ian Stevenson case involving Ruprecht Schultz by clicking on the link provided below

Reincarnation Case of Helmut Kohler | Ruprecht Schultz and the Karma of Suicide-Must Read

To review other reincarnation cases involving suicide, go to:

Independently Researched Reincarnation Cases Involving Suicide

Is Mental Illness Continued from One Lifetime to Another through Reincarnation?

Though in the end, Robin Williams developed a neurologic disease which appears to have made is life intolerable, he also suffered from biochemical depression and he may have also had bipolar disorder, also known as manic-depressive illness. Both of these conditions are caused by an imbalance of neurotransmitters in the brain. Will Rogers, on the other hand, does not appear to have had a history of depression or bipolar disorder. As such, if this reincarnation case is accepted, it appears that mental illness is not a quality of the soul and is not continued from one lifetime to another. Rather, these conditions appear to be related to an individual’s genetic inheritance.

Criticism regarding Robin Williams’ & Kurt Cobain’s Suicides

The media has reported that family members of Robin Williams, including his children, have received hostile messages regarding Robin’s suicide. Hostility is generated by the point of view that Robin had everything one could want, such as a loving family, worldwide fame and wealth. With so many riches, how could he commit suicide? A similar reaction occurred with the suicide death of Kurt Cobain, the late lead singer of the rock group Nirvana.

5 Kurt Cobain Suicide Reincarnation ImageThis hostility and lack of empathy for suicide deaths stems from the inability of those who have not experienced depression to imagine how somebody could possibly feel so bad to commit suicide. Very simply, when an individual has severe biochemical depression, that person can experience a total lack of enjoyment in life, as well as profound despair. Only somebody who has experienced severe depression can fully understand it.

The psychological term for the feeling one experiences in depression is “anhedonia,” in which an individual does not experience any joy or pleasure in life. It should be noted that in the vast majority of depression cases, anhedonia can be successfully treated with anti-depressant medications. For individuals who do not respond to medications, ECT (Electroconvulsant Therapy), also known as electroshock therapy, can be of benefit.

Unfortunately, whether appropriate treatment is not taken advantage of or if treatment does not succeed in controlling anhedonia, people commit suicide as they can no longer tolerate feeling the way that they do. They perceive suicide as being a method to relieve themselves of depression and despair.

Individuals who experience depression must be open to taking medications that will modify the neurochemistry of the brain to relieve anhedonia. Rather than criticize those who succumb to suicide, we must have empathy for the person who feels so bad that they feel they cannot continue living.

Is Suicide Justified in Light of Evidence of Reincarnation?

Though I do urge empathy and understanding for those who do commit suicide, I do not believe that suicide is a wise choice and that suicide does have karmic implications. Once again, to review these issues please go to:

Reincarnation Case of Helmut Kohler | Ruprecht Schultz and the Karma of Suicide-Must Read

In sum, based on reincarnation research, Robin Williams will not be eternally damned or go to hell. Rather, he will reincarnate and be the same comic genius as he was in his lifetimes as Will Rogers and Robin Williams. He will likely have to deal with karma related to committing suicide, including the grief he caused loved ones, but the progress of Robin’s soul will continue. Hopefully, he will not be born with similar biochemical afflictions in the future. One should keep in mind that Robin had a big heart and did much good for people in need, so he does have positive karma, which will help balance the negative karma incurred by committing suicide.

Principles of Reincarnation & Understanding Past Lives

5 Robin Williams Suicide & Reincarnation Movie What Dreams May Come, Walter Semkiw ArticlePhysical Resemblance in Reincarnation Cases: There is a marked resemblance between Will Rogers and Robin Williams.

Past Life Talent: In may ways, Robin Williams replicated the career of Will Rogers in becoming a comedian, actor and world-renown celebrity.

Reincarnation & Suicide: Reincarnation research demonstrates that those who commit suicide reincarnate like everyone else. The individual who commits suicide may need to face circumstances similar to those that drove the person to suicide in a past lifetime, but hopefully, the individual will not commit suicide again in the future incarnation.